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I opted for Torchwood over Moonlight because there is only so much smelling of the past that a human being can endure (though in the ad breaks I caught a few bits which didn't exactly lure me back)




I really liked Gwen. She was great and that's the best thing they brought over from Who - the reaction of an ordinary person when faced with the unbelievable. And the actress was great as well: the right combination of curiosity, anger, and terror.

But the rest of them are rather gits, aren't they? And well done Jack on not noticing that one of your very small crew was out there killing people with alien technology you discovered (doesn't Torchwood have a way for logging or tracking any of this stuff? If they can cut off your computer surely they can stop you taking the valuable killing gear out for a stroll? Clearly not, I guess, because Owen had 'get sex even when she doesn't want it'* in a can with him).

I got the feeling that Suzie was probably telling the truth when she said that the rest of them really didn't do any work. I suspect Jack just admires himself in the mirror and looks for the Doctor while the rest of them feck around and press buttons they shouldn't.

But I will keep watching because of a) Gwen and b) lovely Welsh accents. I will endure a lot for a nice Welsh accent.

*I believe this is also called rape. That was a weird and troubling scene.

Date: 2007-10-06 06:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] calixa.livejournal.com
I remember when I first watched it that I mainly only liked Gwen as well. I dropped it after a few eps, but it wasn't too bad.

Date: 2007-10-06 06:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lesbiassparrow.livejournal.com
It's not too bad, apart from the fact that I feel that they are not so good with the management and control of alien artefacts. But I really like Gwen so I will probably hang on for a few more episodes.

Date: 2007-10-06 07:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] missmomoko.livejournal.com
yikes well Gwen gets really annoying for the rest of the series and they get more disorganised so you might get even more frustrated with the show. Still, I watched it to the end and enjoyed it!

Date: 2007-10-06 06:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lesbiassparrow.livejournal.com
I am sorry to hear that they make Gwen annoying. I was a bit surprised by how irritating I found Captain Jack in this one. However, I won't mind the incompetence as long as they don't insist that I pretend that they are at all efficient or doing anything else except poking at things they shouldn't with sticks.

Date: 2007-10-06 08:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raincitygirl.livejournal.com
I watched it too and it was very.....stylish. I loved the cinematography, the atmosphere, and some of the sharp dialogue. I loved gap-toothed Gwen, and having it set in Cardiff of all places really worked for me. And the bit with Suzie asking Gwen to hang on a minute while she fumbled in her bag for the gun was delightfully surreal. The plot stuff, however, left me underwhelmed. And I think I like Captain Jack better on Who than here. Maybe because Jack Harkness makes a better roguish alient-battling adventurer than he does administrator (with delusions of competence) of a top-secret facility. Plus, if you've got a space/time rift, maybe you could focus a little more on the crazy aliens thing than the police procedural thing.

The thing with Owen using alien roofies on the blonde in the bar seemed to be just a throwaway scene played for laughs. Buffy Season 6 did a much better job with this situation (and when an aspect of your show compares negatively to Buffy S6 in your very first episode, you know you need to up the quality control).

I'll watch it next week, but I'm not sold.

Date: 2007-10-06 08:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raincitygirl.livejournal.com
Mind you, I realise they don't want to be a clone of Doctor Who, and the crazy alien schtick is sort of already taken by that show. So I get that they want to go in a different direction, and maybe playing up the crime-fighting aspect is a way of doing that. But it would probably be more plausible if the viewers got the sense that this lot had any TALENT for fighting crime. Or, indeed, for managing alien artifacts.

Date: 2007-10-07 03:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lesbiassparrow.livejournal.com
I was surprised by how much I didn't like Jack on this. Maybe it's one of those characters who works better as a peripheral figure and can't carry a show (a bit like Faith who I thought worked better when she wasn't made central to a Buffy episode).

I did like the Cardiff setting and the Suzie gun moment - it's a pity that the actress is now gone as she was excellent. And less smug than the rest.

But it would probably be more plausible if the viewers got the sense that this lot had any TALENT for fighting crime.

Well, I supposed their only defence is that they don't really want to fight crime - they just want to play with the alien technology with tax payer money. It's a bit weird that it never crossed their mind before Gwen to help people. Not really the sort of warm-hearted folks you want having access to powerful weaponry as they don't actually seem to like people very much.

Date: 2007-10-08 05:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raincitygirl.livejournal.com
Well, I supposed their only defence is that they don't really want to fight crime - they just want to play with the alien technology with tax payer money. It's a bit weird that it never crossed their mind before Gwen to help people. Not really the sort of warm-hearted folks you want having access to powerful weaponry as they don't actually seem to like people very much.

True, that. But at least they're carrying on an old Torchwood tradition.

Date: 2007-10-08 07:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ide-cyan.livejournal.com
They cut out a follow-up scene where Owen is leaving the bar with the woman, and her boyfriend turns up when they're out in the street, and becomes upset at his girlfriend's behaviour, so Owen sprays himself with the eau-de-rape cologne *again*, and the boyfriend kisses him, and then Owen calls for a taxi.

I swear, I'm not making this up.

Date: 2007-10-08 07:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ide-cyan.livejournal.com
then Owen calls for a taxi

...as the blonde and her boyfriend are arguing over who's going to sleep with Owen first.

Date: 2007-10-08 07:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ide-cyan.livejournal.com
Screencaps here (http://gallery.chaotic-creative.com/gallery/v/screencaps/torchwood/101-ep/?g2_page=32).

Date: 2007-10-08 05:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lesbiassparrow.livejournal.com
Those screencaps are horrifically disturbing. Does Owen meet a messy end? Or get smacked down in any way? Or am I supposed to think 'how funny! he can't be bothered to have a conversation! he'd rather just use rape-in-a-spray and not bother with all the annoying stuff like talking or being nice to someone!'

Date: 2007-10-10 12:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ide-cyan.livejournal.com
Torchwood is horribly inconsistent in everything, except being inconsistent. The show betrays its own premise every other episode, the secret organisation has its name written on its SUV, and every character does something horrible or spectacularly misjudged at one point or another, though none of them are quite as sleazy as Owen. It's hard to tell how much of the awfulness is on-purpose awful and how much of it is pure cluelessness from the show's creators, although they generally seem to think they're being very daring and cutting-edge when they are being exploitative and juvenile. What makes it tougher to dismiss the whole show, however, is that they do make a few genuinely worthwhile episodes (most of them near the end of the season), and that the horribleness along the way is often weird enough to make a change from averagely mediocre television.

Date: 2007-10-10 02:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lesbiassparrow.livejournal.com
I get the sense that the best way to enjoy this show is not to invest in it or look for logic (and not worry about them PAINTING THEIR NAME ON AN SUV hearing which boggles the mind) or even terribly likeable people but just to watch it for the crackfest. As long as they're not as smug as the first episode I think I can manage that...

Date: 2007-10-10 02:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ide-cyan.livejournal.com
Yep, watching it for the crackfest is best, most of the time.

BTW? It's not painted on the SUV. It's engraved (http://gallery.chaotic-creative.com/gallery/v/screencaps/torchwood/108-ep/002.jpg.html). (That's a nice closeup from episode 8, the full title of which is spoilery.)

The first episode was the only one written by Russell T. Davies. After that, the worst ones tend to be penned by Chris Chibnall, who also wrote the most out of the first season: eps 2, 4, 6 and 12. Episode 4 is *very* OMGWTFBBQ.

Catherine Tregenna's episodes, #10 and 12, are generally considered the best. They're less cracktastic, and more genuinely moving. Episodes 7, 8 and 11 -- 11 having been written by Noel Clarke, who played Mickey on Doctor Who -- are also among the better ones.

Date: 2007-10-10 03:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lesbiassparrow.livejournal.com
That's rather elegant engraving. I am impressed! I felt sure Jack would have done it by hand and then painted hearts and 'I luv the Doctor' all over it.

Date: 2007-10-08 05:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raincitygirl.livejournal.com
*boggles*

I have no words.

Date: 2007-10-08 05:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lesbiassparrow.livejournal.com
That's pretty much my reaction. I can't believe that no one caught this in the editing process. Unless it's a plot point about how he's an evil bastard who will betray the lot of them? He looks like he could be evil.

Date: 2007-10-07 01:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vwlphb.livejournal.com
I thought the series had high points and low points, but overall I enjoyed it. I think Tosh was my favorite of the gang, but I seem to be the only one.

If you give up on it, at least watch the second to last episode (Captain Jack Harkness). I think the whole series was worth it for that episode, it was by far my favorite.

Date: 2007-10-07 03:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lesbiassparrow.livejournal.com
I enjoyed this episode enough but I am a bit worried that I disliked the Torchwood team a bit on first seeing them. I guess there's a lot of time for me to warm up to them (though I think I will always find Owen creepy). I'll certainly watch again but I hope that the characters become a bit more likable.

Date: 2007-10-07 01:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fubarite.livejournal.com
It is terribly uneven, and takes a while to sort itself out (about episode 8 onwards for me, although plenty of people disagree). I ended up, like [livejournal.com profile] vwlphb, very fond of Tosh, but I don't think it's a show I'll ever get particularly invested in: I enjoy it more as fluff!

Date: 2007-10-07 10:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lesbiassparrow.livejournal.com
I am interested enough to keep watching and unless I end up irritated at the whole load of them I will probably hang on especially as I am not expecting too much. I was a bit sad that I found Jack such a disappointment and I am worried that this is not a character that can really carry a show.

I am now, however, not surprised that Torchwood thought that tapping 'ghost' energy would be a good idea and that b) they weren't on to the Master. Clearly this is not an organization known for its competence.

Date: 2007-10-08 12:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] shinyjenni.livejournal.com
Gwen! I wasn't sure about her at first as they seemed to have this annoying thing going on where she was going to fix all of Torchwood with her magical power of womanly empathy, but then they stopped doing that and now I love her. She pulls some fantastic faces.

Date: 2007-10-08 05:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lesbiassparrow.livejournal.com
I don't think they need womanly empathy as much as competence. And a lock box for some of those artifacts. Oh, and someone to punch Owen in the face.

I really like the actress and the character based on this one episode so I'll hope that she won't annoy me too much.

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