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Well, I didn't like that very much at all. No, in fact, I think I can say that I probably actively dislike that film. All 15 hours of it.*

We did get trailers for several no doubt thrilling films including the new Terminator one, the Watchmen one, and Keanu Reeves being an alien. Hopefully with a giant robot. And (how could I forget!) the one with Robert Downey Jr. in blackface and Jack Black. I look forward to them all (well, not the last one) but somehow I can't help remembering that there used to be a time when people made films with women in them. With lines and everything. And - you may laugh at me, you young 'uns who did not live then - the woman got to be the hero and even do things.

*Things I liked included Michael Caine and Gary Oldman who is finally totally forgiven for being in that terrible Dracula and playing the Count with that bum on his head.

Date: 2008-07-24 02:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com
somehow I can help remembering that there used to be a time when people made films with women in them. With lines and everything. And - you may laugh at me, you young 'uns who did not live then - the women got to be the hero and even do things.

And then they realized how much better the Terminator movies would be without Sarah Connor, and they made one without her, and we never had to put up with movies like that again.

Date: 2008-07-24 02:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lesbiassparrow.livejournal.com
I know! I'm so glad that I won't have to deal with worrying about how much better a film it would be if only the guy had the lead role.

Date: 2008-07-24 02:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lage-nom-ai.livejournal.com
nd - you may laugh at me, you young 'uns who did not live then - the woman got to be the hero and even do things.

Pshaw. What fantasy time is this of which you speak???

Date: 2008-07-24 02:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lesbiassparrow.livejournal.com
Sometimes I think I may just have dreamed it. 5 trailers and not one had a woman who had. a. single. line. in it. In fact only 2 of them had women at all and in one she was pretty much naked and snogging some electrical-glowing guy.

Date: 2008-07-24 03:44 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com
You lie! That never happened! There weren't movies with black women doing things like saving the world, either. did not just watch Jumping Jack Flash last night

Date: 2008-07-24 04:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lesbiassparrow.livejournal.com
I should just keep repeating to myself: women have no place in action films. Or comedies. Or anything that isn't Mamma Mia or Sex in the City. I'd be less disappointed then.

Date: 2008-07-24 04:07 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com
It's like that line from Fear and Loathing (Hunter S. Thompson iirc), about how you can look towards LA and see the crest where the wave broke and receded. The equality wave crested around '99 and it's been steadily falling back, ever since.

Date: 2008-07-24 05:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meganbmoore.livejournal.com
Personally, I blame James Cameron for screwing up his marriage so Linda Hamilton wasn't in the 3rd Terminator movie. It was like they realized everyone would still go to these things if the women did nothing, and that's the way it's been ever since.

*Is not bitter and didn't do anything like refuse to watch T3 because of no Sarah or anything*

Date: 2008-07-24 05:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lesbiassparrow.livejournal.com
I can't wait for them to reinvent Alien as a movie of manly endeavour.

Date: 2008-07-24 01:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fable.livejournal.com
Why didn't you like the Batman movie?

And - you may laugh at me, you young 'uns who did not live then - the woman got to be the hero and even do things.

Like shopping? :o

Date: 2008-07-24 05:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lesbiassparrow.livejournal.com
It's a bit of a long list - and none of it had to do with womenfolk! I'll try and summarize down to the most annoying

1. After about halfway through the film most of the Joker's plans needed insane stupidity on the part of Gotham and Batman to actually work which means that you roll your eyes at him as a criminal genius and seriously wonder if all the whacking that Batman gets has affected his brain. The big case was the dumb ferries plot which just could have been cut and put in an extended edition. So, you've got a threat against the city which requires putting people and prisoners and two ferries and no one thinks about going down to check the engine room to see if there might be bomb there. Or anywhere, I guess. It's not even hidden! It's bloody giant DRUMS OF OIL OR SOMETHING ATTACHED TO A BOMB. Then, despite the fact that the Joker is obviously insane no one thinks 'hey, I wonder if this detonator might be attached to our bomb instead of the other ferry's?' Nope, they trust the insane guy to tell the truth. There was a lot of that sort of thing, which became a real problem for me the longer the film went on. And it went on and on...

2. The dumb voice over at the end, spelling out exactly what Batman had just said, complete with blond moppet to ask questions. I am surprised that they didn't have a ray of light come out of the ceiling as Batman rant off from the dogs.

3. At lot of the time the scenes just felt like someone said 'well, we'll need one of these' and then they just jammed in some sort of scene without wondering if it followed on what came before. I get that it's a superhero film so writing is not what I am going for, but still...

4. The Joker as The Crow. I like The Joker. I like The Crow. But not apparently as one character.

This last bit is probably really unfair as Batman is a vigilante hero and thus is going to skew certain ways because of what he is, but I wasn't quite prepared for a film which was so, er, in tune with current administration policies. The Joker as urban terrorist is interesting, but I am not sure I needed the whole 'surveillance of all is fine as long as you have someone responsible doing it. They'll make sure that it doesn't get abused, so don't worry about it because it works and you won't know about it anyway!' People raised objections about all of this behaviour but in the end they were shown to be wrong.

Sorry this is so long.

Date: 2008-07-24 01:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] salamandersam.livejournal.com
You talk as though women are interested in things like movies. All us wommins do is baking, cooking, and having babies. Right?

Date: 2008-07-24 05:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lesbiassparrow.livejournal.com
Yep! And we only want to see men at the movies anyway, unless it's Sex and the City and they can make one film a year like that just so we don't feel neglected. But if you're not interested in shopping as narrative...well, you should be!

Date: 2008-07-24 04:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] namastenancy.livejournal.com
Us wimmens never get out of that kitchen. Or the bedroom of they are uber young, skinny but have huge boobs. But if you are older (according to Hollywierd), stay in the kitchen and wash them pots and pans. I started boycotting all the bang-'em-up movies some time ago. I am an adult. I am not going to waste my time and money on movies made for 13-year old boys. Or guys at that emotional level.

Date: 2008-07-24 05:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lesbiassparrow.livejournal.com
I don't mind the blow things up films that much, but would it be so hard to actually make a few films with women in them doing something else than standing there mute? And it's depressing that it seems to get worse every year. They've more or less stopped marketing to women at all outside about 5 films a year.


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