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This is probably one of the things you are not ever supposed to admit, but I do see the new Who and the old Who as disparate things. All right, they've both got Daleks and companions, but still I don't think that you have to watch through all the old ones to get the new one. Especially as everyone now has gone through the stresses and trauma of a new doctor and a new companion. Once you've gone through that rite of passage and the whole process of having to adjust to the shift, I think you really know what Who is all about.

That said, you are missing some amazing things in early Who if you don't look at old episodes. And one of those amazing things is Troughton, the second Doctor. Not only is he brilliant and has great companions but also the episodes still look good - the ones the BBC didn't burn, that is. (I bet they're sorry now and many executives weep when they think of all the money they are losing). Something about black and white film, the camera work (Troughton gets some of the best of that), and the excellent writing makes these seem crisper than some other early stuff. Maybe because compared to what else was out there, Who at this stage wasn't that far behind, whereas with some of the later Who the special effects are clearly not exactly cutting edge. I will try not to mention the horror of Doctor Seven's cardboard Daleks.

Also there is Jamie. And Zoe, who makes a computer explode through math. And the great thing? She does it because it really annoys her and is allowed to have a great deal of fun with it. There's no 'oh, this is a big deal, which I must solve with math, look kiddies, math!' - it's just 'hey this computer is very annoying, I will feed it impossible equations until it blows up! Yay!' THERE SHOULD BE MORE OF THIS ON WHO. People need to have more fun with tormenting machinery.

And there is the introduction of UNIT. And Cybermen invading earth. What more could you ask for?

ETA: 30 Rock: Welcome to the country where we don't go out in the evening because of the wolves! Hee! For some reason this reminds me of where I used to live as a kid where sometimes you had to bring the cat in because it got so windy that otherwise it would blow away. I am not kidding about this.

Date: 2007-04-28 09:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexandral.livejournal.com
Thank you so much dear for the info!!! I keep wanting to watch some of the past episodes of Dr.Who. But I think Dr. Nine "pierced my soul" once and for all! Oh, I am so regretting he is not there anymore!

Date: 2007-04-28 06:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lesbiassparrow.livejournal.com
I will miss Nine for ever and ever...I still mutter about Ten not being the same. Sigh. It is easier to sometimes go back to old Doctors for me because I don't have all the regret.

Drop me an email if you would like an episode or two of Troughton. I think you would like him!

Date: 2007-04-28 11:57 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com

This post makes me happy, very happy.

What more could you ask for?

NOTHING AT ALL EVER. Oh, I love Invasion, I even sort of love that they lost bits because those cartoons are a bit gorgeous and shiny and have animated!Troughton, which is a wonderful thing indeed, yes.

Trougton Forever.

Date: 2007-04-28 06:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lesbiassparrow.livejournal.com
The cartoons are very good - I have to admit to being very surprised at the quality, but they look very well, and I like the comic book quality of them.

Troughton is brilliant. I haven't even finished it yet, because other things keep intervening, but that scene with Zoe and the computer is the best thing EVER. Plus Jamie and the Doctor running away like mad at one point but being captured also fills me with glee.

I am sad because I do not have a Troughton icon. Woes.

Date: 2007-04-28 12:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evilbearhunter.livejournal.com
Not only is he brilliant and has great companions but also the episodes still look good - the ones the BBC didn't burn, that is. (I bet they're sorry now and many executives weep when they think of all the money they are losing).

I know very, very little about Who, but what? Burned with litteral fire?

Date: 2007-04-28 06:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lesbiassparrow.livejournal.com
They literally burned some old Doctor Who in the days before video. And repeats. And making money off mad fans. This series was also burned partially but they've made a cartoon (quite good) with fan recorded audio to fill in some bits. I bet they're sad now as they think about how much they could have charged for the episodes...

I think Troughton is the Doctor who got burned most, which is very sad as he has some brilliant writing. And Yetis! In the London underground!

Date: 2007-04-28 03:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lcsbanana.livejournal.com
Oh, I MADLY ADORE Invasion. ESPECIALLY Zoe, who just gets to be all kinds of fantastic, and--her delighted laugh when she explodes the computer, OH ZOE, BE MINE. :D :D :D

Date: 2007-04-28 06:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lesbiassparrow.livejournal.com
Zoe is brilliant. And she uses her mind to destroy annoying technology and has so much fun with it, instead of just taking an axe or thinking 'OMG! what have I done!'

Date: 2007-04-28 03:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jonquil.livejournal.com
I'm pretty sure that RTD said he *wrote* the New Who to be stand-alone-able. It's been 20(?) years since old Who was on the tubes, and if he'd appealed to only old-Who fans he'd have been dead before he began. You don't write a show for just the fanboys unless you want it to run three episodes plus a DVD set.

So welcome to the new fans, and it's set up so that there are cookies for the old fans, but you can watch the show without the cookies and still have a great time.

Date: 2007-04-28 07:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lesbiassparrow.livejournal.com
You don't write a show for just the fanboys unless you want it to run three episodes plus a DVD set.

I know, but you still see posts which are all about the appallingness of N00bs (the horror!). It annoys me unreasonably when I read these. Because I don't feel you have some obligation to buy all the back episodes and roll around with the history before you can comment or that your comments are worth less because you haven't seen Doctor One totter about being mean.

It's nice and fun to watch the old stuff, but it also very expensive and not essential. And sometimes if you show the wrong old episodes to people they just blink and start talking about the time and how they must go now.

Or maybe I just say this because I have no intention of catching up on all the audio companions because I am cheap that way they're not really canon.

Date: 2007-04-28 10:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jonquil.livejournal.com
I am not going to be catching up on the audios and the books because I just don't have enough time because they were what got you through during times of no Who. Now there is Who. I can obsess about the show, and in my spare time I go back to backfilling old show that I didn't obsess about, and when I finish *that*... well, I'll still have lots of gardening and reading and writing and other TV series to catch up on.


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