BSG: I really hate boxing
Dec. 2nd, 2006 06:38 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
No, I do. It's absolutely one of the few things I can't abide on the Telly. That and Fox 'News.' So I'm about 20 minutes into this thing and I have (not cutting this because there's no spoilers):
a) rarely loathed anyone as much I loathe Starbuck in this. Seriously, it's about wiping out all liking I have for her as her remarkable self-centeredness (which apparently must be excused because she is screwed-up) is repellent. ETA: Lee is running her a close second, though.
b) been forced to watch far too much boxing. Which is to say any at all.
Is there some pay-off for sitting through all this boxing? Will I suddenly find out that Starbuck was possessed by evil alien overlords?
Er, though, judging by the flist reaction this is a very loved episode, so I am out in the cold.
Wow. What a self-centered and unattractive couple Lee and Starbuck are. I don't really care what your issues are, I don't care how messed up you are. I don't care how much you want something: you are still repellent if you sleep with someone and then bounce back to marry someone else...because why? You're the girl who doesn't know what she wants? Who's all confused? And ditto for Lee: running off to Dee after his night o'love with Kara is also completely reppellent.
I know I am supposed to buy into that Starbuck is so messed up that I must forgive. Or understand. And presumably ditto for Lee. But I just can't. And the more I see of her, the less I find myself interested in her, because it's always the same bloody issues over and over again.
a) rarely loathed anyone as much I loathe Starbuck in this. Seriously, it's about wiping out all liking I have for her as her remarkable self-centeredness (which apparently must be excused because she is screwed-up) is repellent. ETA: Lee is running her a close second, though.
b) been forced to watch far too much boxing. Which is to say any at all.
Is there some pay-off for sitting through all this boxing? Will I suddenly find out that Starbuck was possessed by evil alien overlords?
Er, though, judging by the flist reaction this is a very loved episode, so I am out in the cold.
Wow. What a self-centered and unattractive couple Lee and Starbuck are. I don't really care what your issues are, I don't care how messed up you are. I don't care how much you want something: you are still repellent if you sleep with someone and then bounce back to marry someone else...because why? You're the girl who doesn't know what she wants? Who's all confused? And ditto for Lee: running off to Dee after his night o'love with Kara is also completely reppellent.
I know I am supposed to buy into that Starbuck is so messed up that I must forgive. Or understand. And presumably ditto for Lee. But I just can't. And the more I see of her, the less I find myself interested in her, because it's always the same bloody issues over and over again.
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Date: 2006-12-02 01:14 pm (UTC)Dee, you never should have left Billy. Maybe he wouldn't have died tragically and you could be being adored instead of being a substitute.
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Date: 2006-12-02 03:50 pm (UTC)Dee, you never should have left Billy. Maybe he wouldn't have died tragically and you could be being adored instead of being a substitute.
I gotta say, though, I hate this idea that Dee's getting karmic payback for cheating on Billy; she DIDN'T marry him while pining for Lee; she broke it off BEFORE she really got into things with Lee, so to me, it doesn't even compare to what both Lee and Kara did to *their* S.O.'s. I actually stopped hating Anders long enough to feel sorry for him!
You know, in my head, I kept thinking about "Deadwood", where Seth and Alma BOTH do the honorable thing and stick with the spouses that they have and Seth doesn't shame Martha by continuing his affair with Alma and how great I thought that was. ARGH!!! *hates* (Although I will probably never actually be able to hate Lee ;))
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Date: 2006-12-02 06:01 pm (UTC)Seth and Alma are operating in a world with notions of honor . . . It's interesting looking at honor in BSG -- such a military culture but also a fair bit of emotional self-indulgence running around.
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Date: 2006-12-02 06:02 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-12-03 05:46 pm (UTC)Seth and Alma are operating in a world with notions of honor . . . It's interesting looking at honor in BSG -- such a military culture but also a fair bit of emotional self-indulgence running around.
I would have thought honour would be a big theme for the people on BSG too, but apparently it's perfectly OK to be HORRIBLE to people who love you on a semi-regular basis. See, I think this is why I really hate Lee's Kara-thing so much - I feel like it makes him act in ways that are dishonorable and petty and sneaky and nasty. (I mean, he's petty with his dad sometimes, but it's over BIGGER stuff.)
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Date: 2006-12-03 05:57 pm (UTC)Now this may just be me as Professional Victorianist, but I think in the nineteenth century notions of personal honor meant more than they do now; the BSG characters seem to be suffering from a bit too much twenty-first century "oh, feel my personal pain" and that it's okay to do that as long as it doesn't keep getting in the way of work, specifically military, honor. But it really keeps doing just that.
In other words, I just want to smack the characters. But this week especially Kara and Lee.
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Date: 2006-12-03 06:44 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-12-03 10:35 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-12-03 10:38 pm (UTC)I spend an inordinate amount of time thinking 'don't you have something better to do than go around screwing each over emotionally?' The answer apparently is no, though you would have thought they have a lot more on their minds.
At least on New Caprica people did secret underground things which resulted in explosions. I feel this show severely undervalues the entertainment value of explosions.
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Date: 2006-12-02 06:03 pm (UTC)I've come to like Anders (and I always liked Dee) and I can't help thinking that once he's gone, Starbuck will inevitably want him back and he will be the best thing ever. Because she valued him most when he wasn't there. Ugh. I've rarely despised a set of characters as much as I've despised her and Lee in this episode. And how nice of them to both publicly humiliate their spouses. That was the added touch that was missing from their complete wankerness. GRRR!!!
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Date: 2006-12-02 05:58 pm (UTC)I thought that too. I kept thinking how delicious it would be if Dee and Anders, both of whom are actually nice people, got together and their spouses suddenly realised that not everyone is going to put up with their rubbish forever. Because I feel with both Starbuck and Lee that they only value what they can't have.
Poor Billy. But like like QoT below I don't actually feel that Dee was at fault there; she dated him and then broke up with him because she didn't feel that way about him. Sad, because I thought they were great together, but not cruel and self-centered: that would have been marrying him and then trotting after Lee.
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Date: 2006-12-02 06:04 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-12-02 06:08 pm (UTC)But I do wish she was with someone who valued her properly - and at the very least wasn't washing his emotional linen in public.
Good luck with the Foucault. I should be reading Cicero even now...
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Date: 2006-12-02 03:29 pm (UTC)But Lee is right on her tail.
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Date: 2006-12-02 06:06 pm (UTC)This is a pity because I am surely going to be treated to hours of their one true love which is more important than anything else.
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Date: 2006-12-03 05:01 am (UTC)I used to not like Kara/Lee....but now I think they deserve each other with all their emo-attitude.
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Date: 2006-12-03 10:32 pm (UTC)no subject
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