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Alright, I'm not totally delusional: I know that Apollo and Starbuck are the love that is meant to be in the end, no matter what is going on now.  However, my little Laura/Lee shipping heart went into overload tonight.  He broke her out of the brig!  They're on the run!  They have to trust Zarek and never spend two nights in the same place!  Er, while I know in real life that this is surely not romantic at all, it somehow is on screen.  On a non-shipping note, one of my favourite cliches is the person who must make the choice in where their loyalties lie and they know that both of those choices are almost equally valid and both sides have great claims on them and this show gave me that cliche in spades tonight.  Though I do feel that in real life Lee would either be catatonic or speaking in tongues by this point.

Most of what I feel about the other stuff is pure wibbling. The whole Boomer and the Chief thing led to a horrible presentation of human nature.  Though I guess if a race of killer robots had wiped out my civilisation I'd probably be out there shouting and spitting too.  But the poor chief - I think he'll be joining Lee in catatonia land soon.  (It sounds like a holiday spot - Catatonia land!  The journey there is horrible but we think you'll like the view! And no one ever gives you pointy objects to handle.)

The Caprica stuff was the weakest I thought.  I like Starbuck, I really do. And I like that she's competent and able and a great pilot and also artistic plus able to take out Cylons with her bare hands.  But I thought the being able to play as well as a professional athlete bit was a bit over done. I don't care how good you are (or were) and how bad the professional is, it's just not possible - certainly it's impossible if you haven't played in a while.  Okay, mad Cylons who look like humans are also not really possible, but this is scifi and I expect things like that but you cannot violate basic rules of sports.  Also, when I play sports I want to have a shower as soon as possible afterwards and then keel over somewhere and (usually) nurse my wounded pride.  I have never thought when smashing into someone in a sport 'Oh he's alright, I'd do him.' But yet at the end of the Starbuck/Anders game there was the look of love/passion/something not relating to athletic activities that take place with clothes on. And all I could think was that you're not really trying if you're able to come up with a look like that after playing a game. 

Adama, oh Adama.  You picked an idiot as second in command. His wife can't even plot properly, for god's sake!  And then you're surprised when everything gets screwed up.  How long have you known this guy for?  He shouldn't be running a hen house let alone a giant ship with guns and soldiers. And judging by the preview for next week you are going to compound his idiocy.   Maybe it is your mad love for Tigh impelling you, but don't go there because that's the loony Baltar route of crazy, crazy love and we don't want that.

 

 

 

ETA: BSG looks very good on giant tv.

Date: 2005-08-06 12:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jennyo.livejournal.com
I think Laura and Lee have sworn off doing sex for their Giant Political Love. Which is a shame, because she should throw him against a wall and thank him for doing a good job as her no-longer-padawan. After screeching at him some for sticking them with Zarek, because the priestess isn't going to be all excited to make small talk with Zarek while they're having lots of sex to make up for being stuck in that tiny brig.

Agreed that the Caprica stuff was weak; it just seemed like a way to make sure Starbuck was in the episode, and that there's a new storyline to do if they need it -- hey, people aren't all dead! Some are just slowly dying! We could get a few more bodies to make up for the ones Tigh killed.

Date: 2005-08-06 12:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lesbiassparrow.livejournal.com
I think Laura and Lee have sworn off doing sex for their Giant Political Love. Which is a shame, because she should throw him against a wall and thank him for doing a good job as her no-longer-padawan.

You see, if they'd ever watched Star Wars they would know this a mistake. Because Lee will just go off and sleep with an entirely unsuitable person and end up dressed in black and destroying large parts of the galaxy. Somehow that sounds rather strangely attractive. Perhaps Zarek will encourage mad post-prison sex between them as a way to distract them from their Very Important Political Mission?

And you're right - Tthey are going to have to drag some more people into the show the way they're running through them.

Date: 2005-08-06 02:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jennyo.livejournal.com
The shipper in me is like, "they completely had sex wherever Zarek stashed them for the night. And they brought Elosha along in case the crazy worshippers make Laura have only married sex. He's a pretty effective male symbol -- the virile young man who has chosen against his father's corrupt house for the goddess."

The rest of me is just like, "hmm. Okay, how are they going to spin this? In a million years, Lee would never ever do this for anyone else. Not even Kara. They're trying really hard to make them seem sexless compared to the other characters -- and one notes that Six/Baltar have a similar scene with bars that has much more UST than Lee and Laura -- but at the same time, those two are absolutely together. So are they really going to push Roslin's political celibacy that hard?"

So. yeah. confusing and difficult to think through. All I know is that Laura was definitely feeling that her Apollo was smarter than all the other boys this week.

Date: 2005-08-06 09:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lesbiassparrow.livejournal.com
Setting aside the shipper side of myself too, Iif they want to defuse this whole situation they could go with it being Lee picking the legal government over Tigh,only with Laura going along with it instead of backing down. There was a whole replay of the gun in the face scene, only this time Laura called the bluff because it was her alone that was being threatened - and things had gotten so much worse.

I don't know about Laura's political celibacy. Did Voyager ever allow Janeway to have sex? I wonder if Ron Moore thought that was fine or not...

Date: 2005-08-06 08:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jennyo.livejournal.com
Well, I tend to look to DS9 for my Ron Moore shippin' cues (that and, lord help us, Roswell). And I do think Janeway got some. Q was always after her, man. I think she got some. I can't remember. I know she was extremely slashy with Seven of Nine...I just don't remember.

Date: 2005-08-07 08:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nostalgia-lj.livejournal.com
Janeway TOTALLY did it with Seven. And that whole thing about Seven and Chuckles was just A LIE because the Feds are intolerant bastards who would never understand THEIR TRUE SAPPHIC LOVE.

Date: 2005-08-07 10:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lesbiassparrow.livejournal.com
I had rather given up on Voyager before Seven of Nine and her giant breasts arrived on the show, so I'll have to believe you! But whenever I caught sight of it in the later stages Janeway still looked sort of repressed to me, like the chosen virgin of her people...

Date: 2005-08-07 08:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nostalgia-lj.livejournal.com
*fetches chart of BSG As I Understand It So Far*

Which one is Zarek?

Date: 2005-08-07 10:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lesbiassparrow.livejournal.com
Zarek is ex-terrorist (or freedom fighter - I'm not quite sure). And someone important in the totally ineffectual government that the military keeps ignoring. Oh and he was on a prison ship and is now lord of the prisoners. Or the flies - I'm not that sure as we haven't seen him for a bit.

Date: 2005-08-06 01:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meret.livejournal.com
However, my little Laura/Lee shipping heart went into overload tonight.

YES! *jumping up and down* And of course they'll end up having to share a bed while they're hiding. *eg*

(It sounds like a holiday spot - Catatonia land! The journey there is horrible but we think you'll like the view! And no one ever gives you pointy objects to handle.)

LOL!

The professional sports team thing had me rolling my eyes.

Date: 2005-08-06 03:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lesbiassparrow.livejournal.com
YES! *jumping up and down* And of course they'll end up having to share a bed while they're hiding.

I know! It is the stuff romance is made up of. And there will surely be long moments where they have to huddle in hiding and not be able to leave their hiding space lest they be seen and be all bored....

Date: 2005-08-06 01:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smonsterbite.livejournal.com
surfed here from galacticanews;

I agree with you about the improbability of kara being able to keep up in the game. She's just a little too good at everything, except keeping her mouth shut. ;) But on this - I have never thought when smashing into someone in a sport 'Oh he's alright, I'd do him. - beg to differ. I don't think it's implausible, and it's certainly happened to me. Ysport+sexMV, of course.

Date: 2005-08-06 04:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lesbiassparrow.livejournal.com
Hmmm... You're no doubt right about the sports - I've just never had that experience myself. The only team sports I've really played has been hockey, and usually in that I tend to get mad at other people rather than mad and desiring! :-) (Not to mention the whole unattractive while sweaty thing, but let's not go there. But thinking about it I can see how it might go different, especially in a friendly game.

The strange thing was that I didn't mind Kara being a good athlete - it seems to fit her. It's just that I don't really think it's possible for any amateur, no matter how gifted, to keep up with someone whose job it is to play that sport. The training alone would crush them.

Date: 2005-08-06 10:18 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] anonymous_sibyl
And all I could think was that you're not really trying if you're able to come up with a look like that after playing a game.

Bwah! I like my athletes to keep their minds in the game, too.

Date: 2005-08-06 11:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] k-julia.livejournal.com
They have to trust Zarek and never spend two nights in the same place! Er, while I know in real life that this is surely not romantic at all, it somehow is on screen.

Yes, yes, yes!! Ooh, how much did I love that? (Sorry, I think I haven't said that in, like, five minutes, so I'm squeeing here again.)

I agree with you regarding the Caprica storyline being the weakest part of the ep. There was good stuff there -- I liked Kara and Helo working together, for instance. But it had a sense of 'setting up stuff for later' to it and wasn't nearly as intense as the rest of the episode.

The sports thing didn't bother me much, though. Possibly because I'd heard about the Triad playing thing as Starbuck backstory, so unlike the artist stuff, which I considered all kinds of too much, I'm okay with that. (Though I am of two minds about the sexiness factor of sports. *g*)

Maybe it is your mad love for Tigh impelling you, but don't go there because that's the loony Baltar route of crazy, crazy love and we don't want that.

I blame it on the episode driving me round the bend, but this is making me giggle like mad. *g*

Date: 2005-08-07 10:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lesbiassparrow.livejournal.com
The sports thing didn't bother me much, though. Possibly because I'd heard about the Triad playing thing as Starbuck backstory, so unlike the artist stuff, which I considered all kinds of too much, I'm okay with that. (Though I am of two minds about the sexiness factor of sports. *g*)

The sports thing made sense to me - it does fit her character really well. So that wasn't the issue, but it was her amazing ability to get one past Leelookingguy that made me boggle a bit. The painting...I had less issues with that than the poetry on the walls. Poetry on walls seems a bit hippie flowerchildy and not at all Starbuck like to me.

And it cannot be said enough: they are now on the run!!!! He broke her out of the brig!!!!!! . I'll go back to sanity now.

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